StewNWT (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I'm not sure what lutz you're watching, but Kristi does a HUGE flutz, that's not even debatable. Midori's program was mature and elegant, it was only weenies like Scott Hamilton that said she was weak choreographically. I'm still a big Kristi fan but come on, you'd have to be blind not to see her very obvious change of edge.

topjazz69 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Kristi's Lutz isn't a flutz at all. Midori;s LP was weak choreographically; she did a lot of "hand movements" during the first half that at some point she looked like she was doing some window washing & ceiling dusting. This night being the Artistic program, Kristi's had the complete package; a difficult 3-3 combo (which Ito didn't do) and movements that is within the music style.

StewNWT (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I would have put Midori's program ahead of Kristi's in the long program, but Kristi still would have won based on the short program placements.

StewNWT (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

But let's be honest people, as great as it is she did a triple lutz triple toe combo, her lutz is quite a bad flutz (everyone seems to hate Mao Asada for hers).

StewNWT (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

It goes axel, lutz, flip, loop, and then toe and salchow are a tossup, depends on the skater which they prefer (I think a salchow is easier than a toe loop but some people are better toe jumpers). Loop is not easy, easily if you're a bigger person (I'm a 6'2" 190lb guy, and the ice can't handle my weight, so my back edge ends up flying out half the time I do the double loop = BAD fall).

CamilleNadia (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I didn't know that. I just remember a skating special where they ranked the jumps from easiest to hardest in terms of takeoff. The Axel was number one, then Lutz, Flip, etc.The Loop was ranked number five out of six (salchow). So from that, I assumed it was relatively easy.

caseyphx (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

The Triple Loop is an easy jump?? I think so many skaters would disagree with you on that. Without the aid of a toe pick, edge jumps are hard. At least the Salchow gives you momentum and lift from the free leg. The Loop doesn't even give you that; just your arms. If you don't go up straight, it's near impossible to save.

caseyphx (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I bought the Stanley Black Orchestra CD, and their version was not the same one Kristi/Sasha used. Sooooo disappointed because I've been looking for it for years. I especially love Kristi's slow section with the spanish guitar and strings. I don't suppose you have any other leads for this version? Stanley Black's was closer than the others I've heard, but still not the same. Maybe I could contact Kristi directly... I'm that desperate! :)

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